Why not move to Subscribestar?

jeger696
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Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:35 am

Any good reason why you aren't moving to Subscribestar?
It seems like an obvious move with all the creative restrictions imposed on you by CCbill.
It would give your back all the creative freedom you had before.

Creators have been making stuff much more controversial than you ever did for years on Subscribestar with 0 issues.
The payment cut they take also seems similar so what exactly is the issue here?
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mnf_vadim
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Sun Dec 26, 2021 1:49 am

Everything is good with them except this part of their rules:

Prohibited Content
We may, but have no obligation, to monitor, edit or remove content that we determine in our sole discretion are unlawful, offensive, threatening, libelous, defamatory, inappropriate, pornographic, obscene or otherwise objectionable or violates any party’s intellectual property or these Terms of Service.
jeger696
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Sun Dec 26, 2021 3:29 am

mnf_vadim wrote:
Sun Dec 26, 2021 1:49 am
Everything is good with them except this part of their rules:

Prohibited Content
We may, but have no obligation, to monitor, edit or remove content that we determine in our sole discretion are unlawful, offensive, threatening, libelous, defamatory, inappropriate, pornographic, obscene or otherwise objectionable or violates any party’s intellectual property or these Terms of Service.
That's from Subscribestar.com.
Subscribestar.adult has different ToS.

"We may, but have no obligation, to monitor, edit or remove content that we determine in our sole discretion are unlawful, offensive, threatening, libelous, defamatory, inappropriate or otherwise objectionable or violates any party’s intellectual property or these Terms of Service."

It doesn't include pornographic, as you can see.
I also never heard of a single instance of a creator having trouble with Subscribestar, while you seemed to already have trouble with CCBill.
Wizzard207
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Mon Dec 27, 2021 6:38 pm

Have to agree with the OP here. This censorship patreon type shit is lame.
manthus
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Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:54 pm

It would be awesome if these idiotic restrictions could be lifted!
Anonymous Master
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Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:20 pm

there's probably some sort of catch if the admins never considered it.
xXGottSteinXx
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Tue Dec 28, 2021 1:51 am

I've wondered this a lot, and honestly don't see why they don't. CCBill seems to be the most restrictive service for producing and distributing erotic material possible. I've seen things like Anthro, monsters, straight up bestiality, rape, etc on things like patreon and subscribestar and others and they're from creators who have been on those platforms for years. I don't know what the deal is, but it's annoying seeing one of my favorite content creators for many years now, The MNF crew, be stifled and by a shitty pay service.
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mnf_vadim
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Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:48 am

To be honest the most of CCBILL restrictions intersect with US laws (incest, rape and etc) and Mastercard/Visa rules. The main exception is elves and vampires which I believe is purely CCBILL addon.
jeger696
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Tue Dec 28, 2021 4:11 pm

mnf_vadim wrote:
Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:48 am
To be honest the most of CCBILL restrictions intersect with US laws (incest, rape and etc) and Mastercard/Visa rules. The main exception is elves and vampires which I believe is purely CCBILL addon.
They don't. None of the things you listed are illegal in the US in animated form. Not even loli is illegal in the us.

As I said, hundreds of creators have been using Subscribestar for yeas for this kind of stuff without a single issue. A lot of them even making much, much more controversial content than you ever have or will do. One of the biggest creators on Subscribestar, Animo, has been there for 4 years now. And literally all he does is 3D animated horse porn.

What makes you think you're some sort of exception and it wouldn't work for you?

I don't see any issue with at least trying. Worst case scenario you have to restore your restrictions and you're back to business as usual. Hell, all of your content as it is currently would be allowed even on Patreon.
serega_mnf
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Wed Dec 29, 2021 4:26 pm

Visual content restristions and rules are imposed by US and International law. Everyone should obey those rules if they want to work in this field legally. Even if at the current moment Subscribestar turns blind eye on content monitoring they won't be able to do it for too long and all this content gonna be removed from their platform, just as it was with Patreon and many others. We here in MNF prefer to play by the rules so we can stay in business for many years to come.
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